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Burt42
Wed Aug 05 2009, 12:58PM
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This article is a couple of months old and you may have seen it, but if you haven't here it is.

I know if I see these clouds over my airfield I'll be more then a little worried.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1189877/The-cloud-Meteorologists-campaign-classify-unique-Asperatus-clouds-seen-world.html
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TCU_2U2
Wed Aug 05 2009, 09:29PM
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Bring back the 27 "states of sky" (9 low, 9 mid and 9 high level) and we can discuss.

RETURN THE 8 group !!!! .... at least for all the "A" levels ...

An art of the profession that has slipped away ....
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hlsto2
Thu Aug 06 2009, 05:18PM
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careful what you wish for...you might get it! but in this case the cloud type group will never return. the faa doesn't want it...the atct would not know what to do with it...and most newer observers would not be able to correctly identify cloud types.
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TCU_2U2
Thu Aug 06 2009, 07:09PM
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We all started at the beginning. The 27 states of sky is something that was taught and learned.

I am sure the current crew of "new observers" can learn the states of sky just as well as the more "seasoned" observers did way back when.

What I am trying to point out is ... bring back (or re-install) some of the data that use to be carried.

I still shake my head when one compairs the old FMH to the one we currenly have on site, even though it is not required by the current SOW.

The remarks "back then" and the additive data provided such a full picture of what is happening at the site and in some cases, what happened during the previous SA (METAR for you young ones ... wink wink).

The cloud code group was just one of the pieces of data that fell through the cracks when the FAA picked up the observing contracts that the NWS was obligated to cut during the upgrades of the late 1980's to mid 1990's.

Even the GAO report (still easily found on the net today) warned of the problems and unforseen concerns with ASOS ...

I think (hope) the 7900.5C will bring back some of the missing data from the B edition. We shall see ...

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hlsto2
Thu Aug 06 2009, 09:05PM
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I totally agree with your comments...however...the FAA got the observing program "dumped" on them. and they treat it with disdain...as we all can see. best example letting unqualified controllers take observations.

the FAA is the major player on what the metar program looks like. If it's not operational data of use to controllers and pilots...they ain't interested.





[ Edited Fri Aug 07 2009, 12:02AM ]
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